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Abandoned boxes vs. Rights of the Originator

8 messages in this thread | Started on 2003-07-11

Abandoned boxes vs. Rights of the Originator

From: Trish Kurdziel (trishkri@yahoo.com) | Date: 2003-07-11 14:46:37 UTC-07:00
The creation of a new letterbox can be a very artistic undertaking on the part
of the originator. It provides the letterboxer with an opportunity to pair an
artistic stamp and creative clues with a unique location. It is a very
individual process and is part of what makes this sport so wonderful. From its
very beginnings one of the primary concerns of the LbNA webmasters has been to
preserve the creative rights of the individual.

Most of us are so caught up in the energy of this sport that the three months
since the changeover to the database site seems like an eternity. Others only
check on the letterboxing site occasionally when "real life" allows them to and
are surprised by the changes. For the owners of many boxes, three months can
go very quickly and they could easily take exception to having their creative
output claimed by someone else.

As webmasters we are caught in the quandary of wanting to preserve the
intellectual property rights of the original owner of the box, while
maintaining a point of contact to those responsible for the land where they are
placed.

Though no individual has volunteered to be the primary contact for the
abandoned boxes, as a community many of us have offered to care for those
lonely boxes in our areas. In order to support this effort, Wes (webdesigner
extraordinaire) has offered to put a new category in the listing for boxes that
have not been claimed by the originators - Caretaker. This will allow the
letterbox to be maintained by someone else without the originator giving up
their rights to the box. In addition, the webmasters will be able to re-assign
the box to the originator as the need arise. These boxes will have two names
attached to them, the originator's and the caretaker's.

To that end we encourage all of you to try and contact the authors of any boxes
in your area that are currently listed as abandoned to get them claimed by
their rightful owners. After that if there are remaining clues and boxes on
the original or new site that you would like to be caregiver for please contact
the webmasters with a complete list of the boxes (including username and email,
city or county, and state) and as soon as the changes are made to the site we
willstart assigning them. We will wait and ensure that everyone gets a chance
to sponsor a box before we delete any unclaimed box.

Trish K
One of the LbNA Webmasters


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Re: Abandoned boxes vs. Rights of the Originator

From: bcostley (bobbyeubanks@yahoo.com) | Date: 2003-07-11 22:04:07 UTC
This sounds like a reasonable solution to the problem.

Thanks!

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Trish Kurdziel
wrote:
> The creation of a new letterbox can be a very artistic undertaking
on the part
> of the originator. It provides the letterboxer with an
opportunity to pair an
> artistic stamp and creative clues with a unique location. It is a
very
> individual process and is part of what makes this sport so
wonderful. From its
> very beginnings one of the primary concerns of the LbNA webmasters
has been to
> preserve the creative rights of the individual.
>
> Most of us are so caught up in the energy of this sport that the
three months
> since the changeover to the database site seems like an eternity.
Others only
> check on the letterboxing site occasionally when "real life"
allows them to and
> are surprised by the changes. For the owners of many boxes, three
months can
> go very quickly and they could easily take exception to having
their creative
> output claimed by someone else.
>
> As webmasters we are caught in the quandary of wanting to preserve
the
> intellectual property rights of the original owner of the box,
while
> maintaining a point of contact to those responsible for the land
where they are
> placed.
>
> Though no individual has volunteered to be the primary contact for
the
> abandoned boxes, as a community many of us have offered to care
for those
> lonely boxes in our areas. In order to support this effort, Wes
(webdesigner
> extraordinaire) has offered to put a new category in the listing
for boxes that
> have not been claimed by the originators - Caretaker. This will
allow the
> letterbox to be maintained by someone else without the originator
giving up
> their rights to the box. In addition, the webmasters will be able
to re-assign
> the box to the originator as the need arise. These boxes will
have two names
> attached to them, the originator's and the caretaker's.
>
> To that end we encourage all of you to try and contact the authors
of any boxes
> in your area that are currently listed as abandoned to get them
claimed by
> their rightful owners. After that if there are remaining clues
and boxes on
> the original or new site that you would like to be caregiver for
please contact
> the webmasters with a complete list of the boxes (including
username and email,
> city or county, and state) and as soon as the changes are made to
the site we
> willstart assigning them. We will wait and ensure that everyone
gets a chance
> to sponsor a box before we delete any unclaimed box.
>
> Trish K
> One of the LbNA Webmasters
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
> http://sbc.yahoo.com


Re: Abandoned boxes vs. Rights of the Originator

From: ehughes52 (libby@twcny.rr.com) | Date: 2003-07-11 22:11:35 UTC
It is certainly more than reasonable as bcostley states. And I must
say I'm in awe of how well the letterboxing.org website works, knowing
how massive it is it could have some huge problems. Kudos webmasters!
catbead


--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Trish Kurdziel
wrote:
> The creation of a new letterbox can be a very artistic undertaking
on the part
> of the originator. It provides the letterboxer with an opportunity
to pair an
> artistic stamp and creative clues with a unique location. It is a very
> individual process and is part of what makes this sport so
wonderful. From its
> very beginnings one of the primary concerns of the LbNA webmasters
has been to
> preserve the creative rights of the individual.
>
> Most of us are so caught up in the energy of this sport that the
three months
> since the changeover to the database site seems like an eternity.
Others only
> check on the letterboxing site occasionally when "real life" allows
them to and
> are surprised by the changes. For the owners of many boxes, three
months can
> go very quickly and they could easily take exception to having their
creative
> output claimed by someone else.
>
> As webmasters we are caught in the quandary of wanting to preserve the
> intellectual property rights of the original owner of the box, while
> maintaining a point of contact to those responsible for the land
where they are
> placed.
>
> Though no individual has volunteered to be the primary contact for the
> abandoned boxes, as a community many of us have offered to care for
those
> lonely boxes in our areas. In order to support this effort, Wes
(webdesigner
> extraordinaire) has offered to put a new category in the listing for
boxes that
> have not been claimed by the originators - Caretaker. This will
allow the
> letterbox to be maintained by someone else without the originator
giving up
> their rights to the box. In addition, the webmasters will be able
to re-assign
> the box to the originator as the need arise. These boxes will have
two names
> attached to them, the originator's and the caretaker's.
>
> To that end we encourage all of you to try and contact the authors
of any boxes
> in your area that are currently listed as abandoned to get them
claimed by
> their rightful owners. After that if there are remaining clues and
boxes on
> the original or new site that you would like to be caregiver for
please contact
> the webmasters with a complete list of the boxes (including username
and email,
> city or county, and state) and as soon as the changes are made to
the site we
> willstart assigning them. We will wait and ensure that everyone
gets a chance
> to sponsor a box before we delete any unclaimed box.
>
> Trish K
> One of the LbNA Webmasters
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
> http://sbc.yahoo.com


Re: Abandoned boxes vs. Rights of the Originator

From: sileagle1 (sileagle@alltel.net) | Date: 2003-07-11 22:46:40 UTC
Great idea, just ashame the webmasters will have to do most of
the work. Maybe this will also allow "caretakers" to bring back
clues from the old web page that never made it to the new one, if
desired. This could be our chance to get all the old, abandoned
boxes online and up to date with status information that can
be kept evergreen by the caretaker. Once the webmasters do their
stuff, it will be up to us to do the rest. I've already tried
to contact all previous owners of abandoned boxes in Texas and
plan to become caretaker of all that don't respond within a week
or so. Thanks again, webmasters. I see this as a continuation
of the great journey you started us on when you unveiled the
new website with all its great features.

Silver Eagle

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Trish Kurdziel
wrote:
> The creation of a new letterbox can be a very artistic undertaking
on the part
> of the originator. It provides the letterboxer with an opportunity
to pair an
> artistic stamp and creative clues with a unique location. It is a
very
> individual process and is part of what makes this sport so
wonderful. From its
> very beginnings one of the primary concerns of the LbNA webmasters
has been to
> preserve the creative rights of the individual.
>
> Most of us are so caught up in the energy of this sport that the
three months
> since the changeover to the database site seems like an eternity.
Others only
> check on the letterboxing site occasionally when "real life" allows
them to and
> are surprised by the changes. For the owners of many boxes, three
months can
> go very quickly and they could easily take exception to having
their creative
> output claimed by someone else.
>
> As webmasters we are caught in the quandary of wanting to preserve
the
> intellectual property rights of the original owner of the box, while
> maintaining a point of contact to those responsible for the land
where they are
> placed.
>
> Though no individual has volunteered to be the primary contact for
the
> abandoned boxes, as a community many of us have offered to care for
those
> lonely boxes in our areas. In order to support this effort, Wes
(webdesigner
> extraordinaire) has offered to put a new category in the listing
for boxes that
> have not been claimed by the originators - Caretaker. This will
allow the
> letterbox to be maintained by someone else without the originator
giving up
> their rights to the box. In addition, the webmasters will be able
to re-assign
> the box to the originator as the need arise. These boxes will have
two names
> attached to them, the originator's and the caretaker's.
>
> To that end we encourage all of you to try and contact the authors
of any boxes
> in your area that are currently listed as abandoned to get them
claimed by
> their rightful owners. After that if there are remaining clues and
boxes on
> the original or new site that you would like to be caregiver for
please contact
> the webmasters with a complete list of the boxes (including
username and email,
> city or county, and state) and as soon as the changes are made to
the site we
> willstart assigning them. We will wait and ensure that everyone
gets a chance
> to sponsor a box before we delete any unclaimed box.
>
> Trish K
> One of the LbNA Webmasters
>
>
> __________________________________
> Do you Yahoo!?
> SBC Yahoo! DSL - Now only $29.95 per month!
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RE: [LbNA] Re: Abandoned boxes vs. Rights of the Originator

From: Judi Lapsley Miller (judi@psychokiwi.org) | Date: 2003-07-11 19:08:56 UTC-04:00
> Maybe this will also allow "caretakers" to
> bring back clues from the old web page that never made it to
> the new one, if
> desired.

With so many boxes to transfer over, a number did get missed. If you know of
any, please let me know off-list (judi@psychokiwi.org) and I can transfer
them over to the new site.

Thanks

Judi
"ad hoc" webmaster


Re: [LbNA] Abandoned boxes vs. Rights of the Originator

From: (cadenza74@earthlink.net) | Date: 2003-07-11 18:39:40 UTC-06:00
wonderful! Perfect! You webmasters amaze me at times!

From: Trish Kurdziel
Reply-To: letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2003 14:46:37 -0700 (PDT)
To: letterbox
Subject: [LbNA] Abandoned boxes vs. Rights of the Originator


The creation of a new letterbox can be a very artistic undertaking on the
part
of the originator. It provides the letterboxer with an opportunity to pair
an
artistic stamp and creative clues with a unique location. It is a very
individual process and is part of what makes this sport so wonderful. From
its
very beginnings one of the primary concerns of the LbNA webmasters has been
to
preserve the creative rights of the individual.

Most of us are so caught up in the energy of this sport that the three
months
since the changeover to the database site seems like an eternity. Others
only
check on the letterboxing site occasionally when "real life" allows them to
and
are surprised by the changes. For the owners of many boxes, three months
can
go very quickly and they could easily take exception to having their
creative
output claimed by someone else.

As webmasters we are caught in the quandary of wanting to preserve the
intellectual property rights of the original owner of the box, while
maintaining a point of contact to those responsible for the land where they
are
placed.

Though no individual has volunteered to be the primary contact for the
abandoned boxes, as a community many of us have offered to care for those
lonely boxes in our areas. In order to support this effort, Wes
(webdesigner
extraordinaire) has offered to put a new category in the listing for boxes
that
have not been claimed by the originators - Caretaker. This will allow the
letterbox to be maintained by someone else without the originator giving up
their rights to the box. In addition, the webmasters will be able to
re-assign
the box to the originator as the need arise. These boxes will have two
names
attached to them, the originator's and the caretaker's.

To that end we encourage all of you to try and contact the authors of any
boxes
in your area that are currently listed as abandoned to get them claimed by
their rightful owners. After that if there are remaining clues and boxes on
the original or new site that you would like to be caregiver for please
contact
the webmasters with a complete list of the boxes (including username and
email,
city or county, and state) and as soon as the changes are made to the site
we
willstart assigning them. We will wait and ensure that everyone gets a
chance
to sponsor a box before we delete any unclaimed box.

Trish K
One of the LbNA Webmasters


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Re: [LbNA] Re: Abandoned boxes vs. Rights of the Originator

From: Randy Hall (randy@mapsurfer.com) | Date: 2003-07-11 21:51:44 UTC-04:00

> Great idea, just ashame the webmasters will have to do most of
> the work. Maybe this will also allow "caretakers" to bring back
> clues from the old web page that never made it to the new one, if
> desired.

I'm glad you used "if desired". The webmasters have kicked this
around -- on the one hand its a great idea, on the other hand
some people have chosen the transition as a convienent time to
retire their listings, so it is another case of ask permission of
the clue's owner first (and IMO a different situation).

(and I (we) really are not trying to be difficult with any of this --
its just sometimes we all see things from different angles with different
info and different experiences)

Cheers

[LbNA] Re: Abandoned boxes vs. Rights of the Originator

From: sileagle1 (sileagle@alltel.net) | Date: 2003-07-12 02:04:23 UTC
Good point. In fact, I have been wrestling with a similar
decision concerning adoption of abandoned boxes. There are
several boxes in Texas that are abandoned but are known
missing. Do I adopt them and edit the clues to say Missing,
or do I just have them deleted since the original owner
is long gone? I'm tempted to keep them around since some
represent the oldest letterboxes in Texas and it
would be nice to preserve the clues for posterity.
I guess the best solution for this would be to keep the
old web site as a historical archive and delete all abandoned
boxes that are missing from the new site. Is it
feasible to keep the old site forever or does it cost
too much or use too much resource?

Silver Eagle

--- In letterbox-usa@yahoogroups.com, Randy Hall wrote:
>
> > Great idea, just ashame the webmasters will have to do most of
> > the work. Maybe this will also allow "caretakers" to bring back
> > clues from the old web page that never made it to the new one, if
> > desired.
>
> I'm glad you used "if desired". The webmasters have kicked this
> around -- on the one hand its a great idea, on the other hand
> some people have chosen the transition as a convienent time to
> retire their listings, so it is another case of ask permission of
> the clue's owner first (and IMO a different situation).
>
> (and I (we) really are not trying to be difficult with any of this -
-
> its just sometimes we all see things from different angles with
different
> info and different experiences)
>
> Cheers